The Lisbon thing & Fabfiveferg putting his foot in it

[Ivan]

How exciting you can download an audio version of the lisbon treaty.

http://www.rte.ie/news/features/lisbont ... khome.html

that will help me sleep

No mention of a free mx5 for everyone, so i'll have to vote no.

[Fergus]

I haven't met one single person who will vote yes.
It's nice that people are learing.....

[leamyj]

Monty Python moment here:

So, What have the Europeans ever done for us?

John

[shenab]

.. the roads .. not sure tolls were their idea tho'

.. Education .. certainly got my 2 years worth of those ESF grants ..

.. And the wine .. .. and the wine .. and the wine ..

http://tinyurl.com/633hpu

you gotta love it .. best movie EVER

[leamyj]

Ok, apart from the roads, education and wine...

WHAT HAVE THE EUROPEANS EVER DONE FOR US???

[Ivan]

they are like drug dealers they give us a taste of the roads
and other stuff then we have to let them rule us for the rest
of our lifes......bummer....will have to get a diesel renault clio
How come the rest of europe can't vote on the treaty?
Image if they had a vote here for something and only men
were allowed vote.....

[fabfiveferg]

I shall vote yes. Two Taxi drivers told me at the weekend that I would be a fool to vote Yes, so that's good enough for me.

I like Europe. They got us out from under the shadow of the British. and they have nicer food and women.

Important thing is that all y'all get out and vote one way or the other

[shenab]

erm ...


I reckon Val and I are being insulted here ....

[Ivan]

just because someone gave you sweets
does not mean you have to bend over for them......

[Ivan]

erm ...


I reckon Val and I are being insulted here ....

Val?

[shenab]

sorry valred .. other 5 girlie!

[fabfiveferg]

just because someone gave you sweets
does not mean you have to bend over for them......

Does that imply that by Voting No you'll be standing up to someone. To who and for what and why?

I will vote yes because as far as I can make out from a document that is impossible to understand, it is the right thing for Ireland and the right thing for Europe. I don't buy the arguments relating to Tax, neutrality (what bleedin neutrality), Loss of power (what bleedin power), abortion (should be here anyway).

I have to say I am usually the first to vote against the established parties. I just think it's uneccessary this time.

Granted it's hard to find a convincing argument for or against.

I might vote Meh.

[shenab]

Came across this while trying to make up my mind. Read most of the blurb coming through the door but all of it seems biased with the usual rants about tax neutrality etc etc ..

There seemed to be something missing from both yes/no and
I think this is interesting reading ..

http://www.eudemocrats.org/231/

Although, don't know too much about these guys, probably some right-wing extremists that I'm giving credence too .. so sorry this is not not my intention ..

Will probably vote no due primarily to the idea that the guys making all the decisions at the end of the day will not be elected "by the people for the people" type of thing and there has to be another way to set this thing up .. just not sure this is the way to do it .. my no will be a vote for a rethink

[Steve]

hmmm... but we have to vote yes so we don't stand in the way of the Empire.. I mean "Europe"..
http://youtube.com/watch?v=c2Ralocq9uE

careful now!


If we vote yes and even if everyone has read and understood it, every article in the treaty is open to "adjustment" via the courts, without a vote.. bottom line I wouldn't sign a business contract in which the other party can change the terms without my input/consent..

I liked this guys opinion on it :
"Europe hasn’t voted for this treaty, it’s getting forced upon them. Only Ireland gets the chance to stand up and say that that’s not good enough.

I’m not voting NO for sake of Ireland. I’m voting NO out of respect for the democracy of those other 26 nations."

Have had a good listen to the "Yes" people (as I did want to believe the government were doing the right thing), but they haven't convinced me.. it didn't start off well for them when our glorious leader admitted he hadn't even read it!

Anywhoo.. must lay off the coffee this afternoon..

[Ivan]

just because someone gave you sweets
does not mean you have to bend over for them......

Does that imply that by Voting No you'll be standing up to someone. To who and for what and why?

I will vote yes because as far as I can make out from a document that is impossible to understand, it is the right thing for Ireland and the right thing for Europe. I don't buy the arguments relating to Tax, neutrality (what bleedin neutrality), Loss of power (what bleedin power), abortion (should be here anyway).

I have to say I am usually the first to vote against the established parties. I just think it's uneccessary this time.

Granted it's hard to find a convincing argument for or against.

I might vote Meh.

i have to say i agree with you.
Hence it's a no.

Mainly because the rest of europe is not allowed vote.