Dell pulling out - the whole debate.

[Ivan]

Bertie was the creator of this mess. How the feck would he get us out of it. He presided over a government that didn’t ever have a vision or any sort of plan B for a wobble (even a tiny wobble) in the world economy to which we are so exposed to particularly America. Anyone with a brain knows you don't have a plan if you don't have a plan B.
They pumped up a bloated property bubble that burst with a bang and anyone with even half that brain would know it was never to last (never has historically in any economy anywhere in the world, Japan being a case in point like the Irish scenario in the 90's they suffered over one there)
Bertie created quango's, committees for this that and the other, jobs for mates in semi state directorships and the like, took crooked money, Lied, allowed the so called financial regulator to do fuck all but sit on his olde arse and let the banks lend like money it was going outta fashion. He created junior ministries that are pointless – and serve no purpose only to keep the backbenchers happy and keep him and his FF cronies in power.
He and FF allowed our competitiveness to erode fucking up all manufacturing here for the long term, they never got the proper infrastructure done (still no finished motorway system, the UK has had their since the 1960's),
The health care system is a mess after pumping billions and trillions into it, the homeless on the streets with 2 in 5 houses empty in this country,
I could go on and on, and on and on.........all in all, they BLEW IT!
and then you hear, If Bertie was still here he'd be much better..........sweet devine!
Bertie was a good time merchant, but not a crisis manager - and his prodigie Cowan is the same. Useless.


Re; a new gov, well, A FG lead gov with Richard Bruton would be a good start.
A labour alternative would be good to. Why should we settle for incompetent Muppets like we have?

Sorry Ollie but that is all complete rubbish.
In case you had not seen the Whole world is in the same state we are in.
Not sure FF has that much pull.
Bertie is a great bloke......it was the PDs that ran the health service.

We actualy have more motorway per head than the UK.
IF Labour get in they will just do the same as FF or FG if they get in.

[Stig]

no need to apologize Ivan, i detect you're a FF man, but in this instance you speak Utter utter shite Ivan.

Bertie was and is corrupt. End of........everyone knows it. He has no credibility now. There may have an olde fondness around dub-a-lin for him (like all ye dubs seem to have for him), but i can tell you in the rest of the state he's about as popular as CJ was at his death and we all saw the turn out for that gansters funeral, i guess bertie had a good teacher.

and as for the PD's running the health service...........More BULL. The dept of the taoiseach was and is in charge..........period. He was the Boss, and did'nt manage well.

as for motorway - that comment made me laff, so thanks for that. I needed a laff this evening.

btw- mike (midlife) glad you're unaffected in the dell operation
also, I have no political alegiance or am i part of any party, I just speak my mind in this mess we find ourselves due to poor poor governance.

[MX5Steve]

The responsibility lies with the gaffer, No matter what party runs what. Economy has been completley mismanaged, Is it a global problem YES, But was there a contingency plan for irelands inevitable property collapse NO. regardless of the global economy we were not prepared for any decline.

110% mortgages, What muppet let that one go......

[Fergus]

Don't ever play their game....

[leamyj]

110% mortgages, What muppet let that one go......

+1

[Stig]

yep, i feel for any poor unfortunate who took out a 100% mortgage in 2006 and now has negative equity to deal with.
The Financial regulator was a failure - did'nt rein in the banks lending at all. Another FF cronie placement thats failed.
In his retirement, that olde git will not be missed.

[Steve]

I'm not sure its as "global" as the western media has led us to believe..(or do they mean US English "Global" ?).

http://www.andhranews.net/Intl/2008/Sep ... -65628.asp

http://allafrica.com/stories/200812020757.html

Morocco, Jordan, Cambodia, Brazil, China (!) etc are on the list of "meh, we're grand" countries too..

[Stig]

Things are'nt that grand in China. I was there about a year ago and the recession was beginnnig to bite.

[Steve]

do you think its due to the "global" "crisis" or just something they needed to work through anyway?
AFAIK the US are more reliant on China than China is on the US (actually.. China owns something like 19% of US Treasury bonds at the moment).
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China_Busi ... 8Cb01.html

[Stig]

do you think its due to the "global" "crisis" or just something they needed to work through anyway?
AFAIK the US are more reliant on China than China is on the US (actually.. China owns something like 19% of US Treasury bonds at the moment).
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China_Busi ... 8Cb01.html

Yep - they are the next superpower.